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Apr 5, 2008 15:31:59 GMT -6
Post by spartan on Apr 5, 2008 15:31:59 GMT -6
Hi Guys, just a suggestion from me. Ive noticed some admins enforce the rules and others don't. I.E swearing..... one admin will allow it and another will kick/slap. This doesn't bother me as Ive not really had any problems on your servers but Ive noticed a number of players moaning/whining when another admin comes on and they get told off. If you guys just enforce the rules all the time it will stop all the whiners and make the game more enjoyable for everyone. Also people should be told what they are getting kicked for before it happens, this then stops the arguing after the fact. All admins should have Mic's in my opinion and if the players haven't got the sound on thats their problem. What do you guys think??
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Apr 5, 2008 17:20:54 GMT -6
Post by {GSR} Rollin~Death -=SR=- on Apr 5, 2008 17:20:54 GMT -6
I do require mics as part of clan membership into GSR. However there are a select few that do not have a mic or the mic has broken. ALL GSR members should enforce the rules about the F bomb and strong content 24/7. I will not like to find an admin that does not enforce that. There are some other rules under review for which some admins enforce and others are less worried with. Spawn camping should also be enforced 24/7 there again some admins might not understand all the policies on spawn camping and what is considered as Spawn camping. But you are right GSR as a whole should up hold reqried rules of the servers, After all that is one key to our social success is our ability to logically maintain the servers to up hold some form of public control while in game.
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Apr 5, 2008 18:51:48 GMT -6
Post by pukeee on Apr 5, 2008 18:51:48 GMT -6
well written rollin.
id like to know more about the status of the spawn camping rule, as i thought only nading the spawn wasnt allowed.
some servers define spawn camping as being killed before you are able to move, but sitting outside the spawn ledge, door, or whatever is allowed.
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Apr 5, 2008 19:18:05 GMT -6
Post by {GSR} nojoy36 -=SR=- on Apr 5, 2008 19:18:05 GMT -6
In general - spawn is a protected area where you respawn. Enemies cannot enter that area without dying automatically or by a spawn protection mechanism. Nading the enemies spawn - definite no-no. Nades placed just outside spawn - ok. Some maps do not have these mechanisms - rule is very hard to enforce on these. This is a tough one - some enemies camp in or on the edge of their spawn and shoot out of it. If they camp the edge they are definitely fair play - if they stay in spawn and shoot out of it - very hard to say.
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Apr 5, 2008 19:58:26 GMT -6
Post by thebear on Apr 5, 2008 19:58:26 GMT -6
Railroad 2 is notorious for spawn killing. If we can keep spawn killing out of Railroad then everyone will catch on even with the other maps. So when Railroad is on try to enforce the rule as much as possible (the only thing is people shoot out of the spawns) So tell people that if you shoot while in spawn you will be spawn killed and if you shoot into spawn you will be slayed. Also I know Walling has always been a problem with some of the members and friends. To me walling should be fair game. I feel I can tell a wall hack between a nice wall shot. As long as you are not mg spamming a wall, (Kalt wheel house) (Saints axis side, wall going to broken bridge). Its hard to keep 32 people in line, but I feel since our server is always populated that us admins must be doing something right. Their could be more consistancy between all admins, which we will discuss these issues. Thanks for your consern and trying to help us maintain good servers.
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Apr 6, 2008 11:59:33 GMT -6
Post by spartan on Apr 6, 2008 11:59:33 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies guys, I have one other suggestion. This may not work for you guys but here goes.......To help new admin’s understand the rules and how to deal with pub players, you could set up a mentoring system where the new admin can not use his powers unless his mentor is online to help and advise. Making the mentor the same person for all new admins will eliminate any misunderstanding of rules and how it should be dealt with as a GSR admin. Mentoring can be how ever long you think is required, 30 minutes, 3 hours, 3 days, some people learn quicker and may already have experience, but the mentor must be happy that the new admin knows all the rules and enforces them the way he has been taught. Well that’s my lot lol. Its only a suggestion take it how you want, on the whole the GSR admins do a great job.Especially the people like Bear that will log in when ever I’ve "friends messaged" him because of problems on the servers and no admin's playing at the time, there has been other GSR members too but sorry guys I cant remember your names.... you know who you are lol ;D One last note. If the person breaking the server rules is your friend, then BAN him. You wouldnt let him trash your house, so as an ADMIN clan member think of the GSR servers as your house. Wow look at me getting all righteous lol, catch you on the servers and maybe kill some of you too!
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Apr 6, 2008 18:32:42 GMT -6
Post by thirdreich on Apr 6, 2008 18:32:42 GMT -6
Bear, I disagree. On the Allied side, when i sniper people jumping off the ledge, i dont consider that spawn camping. Since they can shoot off the ledge into the train, and they have another way to go if that area is locked up, i dont think that is spawn camping. Its easier if your allies and you hold down the axis side to accidently spawn camp if using an mg and shoot near the door. Its also easier to nade the spawn by axis first, which would be spawn nading, a no no. When i have played as allies and seen my team members nade axis spawn, i slay them and tell them why. I am one of the admins that does inforce rules such as dropping the f bombs and spawn camping/nading. I dont mind people camping outside of spawn on railroad and other maps and shooting people that are in my opinion fair play (players that have spawned and moved up to a ledge that have the ability to shoot back. That, gentlemen, is the dividing line. If a player has the chance to spawn, move up to the spawn exit, and providing that there is more than one exit, and shoot back, its not spawn camping. If a player spawns and he can be killed instantly without him having a chance to defend, then its not. Rollin, please correct me if this view is wrong and i will monitor games differently. Other things that i will not tollerater is players team blocking their spawn exits, racial slurs, or disrespectful comments to men and especially the girls that play. The only thing that would make me more deadly would be the ability to kick. lol ;D
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Apr 8, 2008 1:21:25 GMT -6
Post by {GSR} `NG -=WR=- on Apr 8, 2008 1:21:25 GMT -6
I like it Spartan. On a side note, if you see a GSR member in server that won't ban someone, it's usually because that person does not have amx_ban, only kick and slap/slay. Ban is reserved for staff and above to help control wrongful/misinformed bans.
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Apr 8, 2008 14:53:39 GMT -6
Post by spartan on Apr 8, 2008 14:53:39 GMT -6
Kick/slap/slay are OK .....but very frustrating for the admins with it. There's always that one noob that will keep joining after being kicked, then start swearing and then block. Maybe all admins could have amx_ban but only ban for a maximum of 24rs, and then if the admin has a demo of the offender he can get a senior admin to life-ban the player. Also just a piece of advice for all admins, every so often go into spec and just watch game play for a few minutes. If there is a cheater on the server he will see you in spec, and most times leave. Also in spec you can make sure theres no afks, noobs voice spamming commands and all the other stuff we all did as noobs lol. I still go into spec out of habit from when I was an admin, especially if someone has a good score and Ive never seen their user-name before.
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Apr 8, 2008 19:31:13 GMT -6
Post by pukeee on Apr 8, 2008 19:31:13 GMT -6
lots of people change user names. you should get in the habbit of typing "status" in the console and you'll start to remember IDs. there is a 4-min auto-afk-kicker, i believe. going into spec is definitely a good thing to do every now and then! but not to see where people are camping, that's just plain cheap.
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Apr 8, 2008 20:42:05 GMT -6
Post by {GSR} Rollin~Death -=SR=- on Apr 8, 2008 20:42:05 GMT -6
OK..... First.... Kick, slay, slap are what most reserved players have who ar or are not GSR members. However those same people have Crash, and mute abilities to increase the options to eliminate a harassing player if no higher admins are available. Ban is restricted to the highest levels of {GSR} members to avoid issues. These members are the ones who must complete any process of a banned player including posting of restricted areas for which a banned player is noted for all to see and appeal.
Second.... spawn camping..... Railroad is a bit tough to swallow when we chat about spawn camping. Axis spawn .... NADES prohibited. Shooting people coming over the wood planks is a rather tough call. I however think that there are two routes and good teams will out flank a door shooter. Same for the hole in the wall. There is a way to eliminate the enemy or go a different route. Allies spawn .... NADES prohibited. Shooting from train to spawn ramp is about the same as covering the broken wall in axis spawn. Shooting into the ledge should be allowed for allies have along route and can prepare for the attack. My thought on railroad but not written in stone or one the website.
Anzio ... Shooting from ledge into allies spawn is NOT allowed ever. These people spawn there and can not defend themselves. Shooting from Ramp into axis door where they span is NOT allowed how ever covering them after they have exited the spawn points is not the same and could be allowed. Shooting into spawn doors from broken buildings .... as long as you are not shooting a spawning player then this should be okay, as well as camping the spawn door on allies is also ok. Entering Axis spawn glitch is illegal and you can or will be BANNED.
Charlie .... Shooting spawning players or shooting from the water I think should be allowed in this map. This is a recreation of D Day to say and life was very tough for the allies to penetrate the axis wall of defense. Jumping into axis spawn is ILLEGAL and you can or will be BANNED. Camping outside of axis spawn doors suck ass but I agree that this is a given in the map. Jumping into Allies beach is ILLEGAL and you can or shall be BANNED.
Avalanche..... Axis shall not enter the allies spawn building using in such known glitches.
Summary..... If a spawn gun shoots at you or if you evade a spawn gun by using some various map glitches then you can or will be BANNED. Under no circumstances will we allow some one to enter spawn where spawn protection exist.
Weapons and walls...... No shooting through the sniper buildings to sniper buildings glitches. Some weapons are designed to penetrate walls and should be allowed to do so with extreme caution. Even using the bazooka on the roof killing both those above and below the floor is allowed however this also is equal to the mg42 shooting through a rock wall. So I think some shooting through a wall is ok and should be allowed but If you are obviously abusing such actions then one of the admins will ask you to cease such attacks and could possibly remove a player from the server in such cases where people do not listen to the admin. Doors OH MY! Some doors have cracks in them where you could see out and shoot through. I think this should be ok. I however do not think camping one of these spots should be considered as a wise thing to do. I also think in general that using the same wall with miscellaneous weapons other than the mag should not be allowed to camp and shoot through a wall constantly.
does that sum up everything? I hope it did.
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Apr 16, 2008 9:51:02 GMT -6
Post by peroija on Apr 16, 2008 9:51:02 GMT -6
OK..... First.... Kick, slay, slap are what most reserved players have who ar or are not GSR members. However those same people have Crash, and mute abilities to increase the options to eliminate a harassing player if no higher admins are available... Reserved slots have these!?
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Apr 18, 2008 15:56:55 GMT -6
Post by dicksmcgee on Apr 18, 2008 15:56:55 GMT -6
I am still firmly of the opinion that it is absolutely ridiculous that people pay for an M rated game where you shoot people and kill them and then have to watch their mouths for cursing. Seriously, are nazis less offensive than F-bombs?
Frankly, if someone is too young to hear curse words they are too young to play any of the games which this clan provides.
But then, I'm just a guy who plays here, I'm not even in the clan, so if that's how you want it there isn't a damn thing I can do about it.
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Apr 18, 2008 20:46:31 GMT -6
Post by pukeee on Apr 18, 2008 20:46:31 GMT -6
it's one thing to let your kids play, it's another to have them play in servers where there is constant cussing and rude talking going on. i know when i was in grade 1 or 2 i already was swearing but the dirrrrty things didnt come to light until later on.
plus, some of the clan members' kids play here, so you must try to watch your mouth. i admit, even i forget sometimes, but my mic broke so its not that bad . . .
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Apr 18, 2008 22:48:54 GMT -6
Post by thirdreich on Apr 18, 2008 22:48:54 GMT -6
Repeated cursing because of the lack of vocabulary is ignorant and disrespectful, for others and yourself. To go around dropping F-bombs every other word should, and will not be tollerated. People will curse when they loose thier temper, i do it myself. But it shouldnt be tollerated in a public server or anywhere for that matter. You wouldnt go into church or a school office and use that vocabulary, so dont use it here. It makes whoever is saying such profanities look crude and not very intelligent. You dont look cool. And probubly to most of the older players, you just sound stupid and imature. Using profanity regulary when there are plenty of other words to describe your feelings or your opinions shows that you have no cueth about you at all. Whether your speaking in person or on the net, you should always act with dignity and respect to the others around you and reframe from using such vocabulary. Always remeber that your reputation proceeds you, and how you are procieved by other people matters. GSR's policy to not tollerate profanity is very respectable, and shows the kids that play on this server that it is not acceptable as upcoming adults to speak in such ways.
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